Shokugeki no Souma Chapter 239 Discussion

Frostbytes said:
Honestly it's pretty hilarious to see how E10 was hyped up only to be reduced to this pathetic level, another clean sweep I guess. The power levels are fucked up. Another "secret weapon", another day.

AstronomyFanatic said:
The rebel 4's trainings and character development will be put into a serious question if even just one of them will lose. They HAVE TO make a sweep here. If you want a more exciting matches, look for the next bout, because...

THE REAL DEAL WILL BE ON THE 4TH BOUT.

MarviD said:


We haven't even finished the fight. Come on now. Plus they completely demolished parts of the rebels. I f anything they're living up to the hype. Ok MAYBE not completely, but they're not reduced to a pathetic level at all. If you want to see TRUE fucked up power levels read Fairy Tail. Holy fucking shit. And Megumi character development as promised ( that huge amount of confidence ).

AstronomyFanatic said:
Megumi will win. For sure.

Many if you doubters ALWAYS forget the aspect called: TEAMWORK. That is the true essence of this RdC. Momo is technically facing Megumi, but in reality, she is facing ALL THREE OF THE REBELS. It is said that two pairs hands are better than one, what more if it is three?

nelliecatalina said:
Another chapter quite disappointing and with an unpleasant ending. I really like Megumi as a character, but I don't want her to be turned into a Souma 2.0, you know, that kind that can win over characters in their own speciality, when she herself doesn't have one, or in her specific case, another totally different one.

On the other hand, we are not talking about a random character, her opponent is someone with a high level, someone with a lot of experience, grace and efficiency in the kitchen. If I'm not wrong the most important thing that Megumi did in the previous arcs was, as always, to be an emotional support for Souma and win in just one shokugeki, in addition to being in the last place of the 8 competitors in the Autumn festival, how that can be compared to Totsuki's third seat and the best pastry chef of the whole school?

loudy_owl said:


The TEAMWORK thing is so powerful. Glad you make a reminder note about it, because the teamwork thing is not shown in this chapter. that's why i said, Megumi still need to learn other technique, even she can defeat Momo now, it is not guaranted that she can defeat Momo or even Ryo in 1 vs 1.

I am agree with you about special training. Saiba, Gin and Shinomiya are beyond professional, they know what they are doing and sure about it. and it make me think that the true one E10 facing is this 3 adult.

Shokugeki said:


You can't compare two entirely different manga. It doesn't work that way. And it's not just this fight, finished or not. It's every match. You say the Elite Ten demolished rebels but Alice or Kurokiba were part of that. They were the top chefs in the Autumn Election who was still on par with Souma, Takumi, and Megumi. I find it hard to believe a little they couldn't even put up a fight considering Souma and co. (minus Erina) are able to go against them. Even with the "special training" they received from the previous seats, it just can't make up that difference, but apparently it is. What's worse, they show us the special training through a single flashback. How are we supposed to see how effective the training is without showing some progress?

Souma and co. can put up a fight compared to someone like Alice or Kurokiba who topped in the Autumn Election. I find that hard to believe. Even if Souma beat Alice, that doesn't mean her skills are inferior to his.

You also have to think how this is going to effect the story after this arc. With the huge level up Souma and co. received they've already surpassed most of the 2nd/3rd years and they're only 1st year. Wow. The author really dug himself in a grave.

MarviD said:


They do show us the progress, what the showed us this week was arguably progress enough. Souma also got a much better chef to train under compared to Ryo, Alice and Hayama. He was arguably better than Ryo after the Autumn Election and on par with Hayama (if not better, considering he beat him in a Shokugeki after Hayama joined Central ).

The fact that Souma beat Alice does mean he is better. And even without that, Souma has learned a lot after that fight. And the special training the got does make them a whole bunch better, considering the people they trained with were some of the best chefs in Japan. If Alice, Ryo and Hayama trained under them the results would have been similar.

They already surpassed most of the second years before this. In fact they were arguably at the level of some of the second years at the beginning of the series. Souma and co. are called the 'Jewel Generation' for a reason.

And I can, and will, compare two different manga with similar issues. Food Wars power levels aren't 'the best thing ever' compared to other shonen stories, but it's a HUGE amount better when compared to Fairy Tail. That series didn't even bother to TRY and explain how it's protagonists beat better foes, they just did because plot.

Shokugeki said:


Wow. An entire week of progress contested into one flashback that doesn't even take up an entire chapter. I can really see how much hard work they've been through. The struggle doesn't stop there though. If you get a good enough chef to train you, you'll be able to reach Elite Ten status!!!! Wow!!!! How lucky are they compared to the rebels. If you can reach seat level with only training from a good chef why bother attending Tootsuki in the first place? The chefs who teach at that school would take YEARS to mold you into a successful graduate but if you take lessons from better chefs you can become one of the top tier chefs in under a year! I like the way you think. Everyone should just drop out and just learn from the "better chefs".

"If Alice, Ryo and Hayama trained under them the results would have been similar" If only they trained every rebel earlier before they were thrown into jail, right? That way, the Central Arc would be done and over with and it would save them a lot of hardships. Why didn't the author think of this? Maybe you should write Shokugeki no Soma from now on.

It wasn't confirmed at all that Souma beat Kurokiba in the Autumn Election and was on par with Hayama during the 3-way match. Give me a source then I'll believe you.

Um....ok?? You can continue to do so, but when you're trying to make your point, it won't get across. You might as well summarize the entire ending of the FT series for me here cause you're on a roll for getting off topic.

Maledict said:
This can't be happening...

Yet it's seemingly getting set up. Fish town girl beating the 5th seat - pastries and sweets master - at her own specialty thanks to a taking lesson for a bit from Sninomuya would be pretty dumb.

AstronomyFanatic said:


It IS happening. Whether you like it or not, a complete sweep is bound to happen.

Also, the theme is not sweets or pastries, but apples. The battle here is not about whose specialty the drawn theme is about, but it's ADAPTABILITY.

And Shinomiya's lessons are JUST ONE factor why Megumi will win. There are several other factors.

MarviD said:




Uhh.....no. Being taught by "good chefs" does not make you elite ten status. Souma and the others trained their skills a whole bunch before that and were arguably on the level of the council of ten ( Souma definetely, Takumi and Megumi are arguable. Plus the chefs don't have time to get apprentices, which is where Totsuki comes in. Souma was already council of ten level before he trained for the match against council of ten. And the flashback still showed us that Megumi has become better. And we had chapters before that that showed them training hard as well. And look at the One Piece training for 2 years. We don't really see how much stronger Luffy and the crew have become during that time but we know they have. You don't have to dedicate more than 1 chapter for training stuff.

But they weren't there to do so. They arrived after that. I don't understand what your issue is. Plus, only Alice, Ryo, Souma, Erina, Megumi, Takumi and MAYBE Hisako would have been able to stand up to the council of ten. The rest after the training wouldn't have been able to.

I'm talking about AFTER the Autumn Election. Souma after Stagiare was probably better than Ryo and on par with Hayama. He beat Hayama in a Shokugeki after by the way, so if you want proof for THAT there ya go.

I really don't understand what your issue is. It was Frostbyte who said that the power levels were fucked up. I said no and that if he wanted to see true fucked up power levels, he should read Fairy Tail. There, done.

Hydraxsfull said:


I wonder what is her secret weapon :D
What do you think ?

Shokugeki said:

The first sentence from your first paragraph is what I've been saying (it's like you're not even trying to read and understand what I'm saying), but apparently "And the special training the got does make them a whole bunch better, considering the people they trained with were some of the best chefs in Japan." that's not what you've been saying. You said it before, that they're Elite Ten status. Even if you count the training they had before the training with the better chefs, they weren't even close to seat status. The rebels are the perfect example for that cause they lost despite the training that had. Make up your mind man.....

My issue is with you.

Where do you get your facts from? From the actual material or out of thin air? Nowhere was it confirmed that Souma was better than the other two after the Stagiaire; probably won't cut it. Wow, Souma beat Hayama in ONE match. So I guess if Souma beat Shinomiya or his dad ONCE, it'd mean he's the better chef, right?

I don't see what your issue is. Frostbyte made a perfectly valid point and you're throwing in pointless babble that have nothing to do with the conversation at all. You're trying to prove his point wrong when it makes actual perfect sense. There. Done.

MarviD said:


Actually they were close to seat status, and Souma was seat status. Don't believe me? "Among them are the future council of ten candidates" words from Senzaemon, ch 118, addressing the 92nd Generation. And Soma easily destroyed countless second years, stood equal to Kuga, and beat Eizan.
If you read my comment again, you'll notice that after saying that "they were already council of ten level" I said "Souma definetely, Megumi and Takumi are arguable". Takumi probably did a whole bunch of secret training after his match with Mimasaka. Now I'll admit I'm not 100% sure about that but, looking at how he instantly caught up with Soma's movements in his match against Kuga, there seems to be a good bit of improvement. Megumi as well. And she had personal training with Shinomiya, where she trained a technique about using butter, which she used in her match. And if you're talking about the rebels who lost ( Ryo, Alice, Hisako etc ), that's because they went against stronger opponents.

Technically it does mean he is better, until they face again and Hayama or his dad or whatever trains for a second match and wins. If you mean a better chef at running a restaurant, then Soma would still be superior. The fact that Soma beat Hayama is already evidence enough, plus the fact that Soma beat a shit-ton of second years and faced of against the 8th and 9th seat AND he trained under a better chef for a week and learned a lot from him. Ryo was running a restaurant by himself when we saw him. It was hard to believe that after Stagiare, Ryo was still on the same level. He's still one of the best first years obviously, but at this point saying Ryo is still on the same level just doesn't make sense.

I never tried to PROVE him wrong. Maybe that sounded that way, in which case I apologize. I can't really prove him wrong, because it's more of an opinion of his than a fact. The reason I said the power-levels weren't fucked up, is because I've seen horrible power levels ( in my opinion ) in the series that I mentioned. I don't agree that the power levels are fucked up because I've seen much, much worse, that I would consider actually fucked-up. Make enough sense? If not you can tell me your issues with what I just said.

Shokugeki said:


Wow you really don't understand what I'm saying....

AstronomyFanatic said:


No idea, really. There are some speculation that it will be cinnamon, cayenne pepper, and pineapples (again?!!).

Abkarinoo said:
I think Megumi will win , Soma will win...the next round 2nd seat will beat Megumi and Aldini together,1st seat will beat Ichigi ....final round Soma and Nakiri somehow will win ... the end

Abkarinoo said:
I think Megumi will win , Soma will win...the next round 2nd seat will beat Megumi and Aldini together,1st seat will beat Ichigi ....final round Soma and Nakiri somehow will win ... the end